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School choice, regulation, and Democrats’ defense of public schools, with Ashley Jochim | Episode 985 of The Education Gadfly Show

Ashley Jochim Michael J. Petrilli David Griffith, Ph.D. Adam Tyner, Ph.D.
9.10.2025
 

Ashley Jochim, principal at the Center on Reinventing Public Education and mom of four, joins Mike Petrilli and David Griffith on the Education Gadfly Show to continue our debate on private school choice and regulation. She also discusses how Democrats’ defense of public schools often clashes with families’ real experiences, and why clear, consumer-facing information is essential to making choice work.

On the Research Minute, Adam Tyner highlights a new NBER study from Chicago showing that giving principals more autonomy can boost student achievement— though effects vary widely depending on leadership capacity.

Recommended content:

  • Unfettered Choice Has Not Delivered on Promises to Milwaukee Families —Ashley Jochim, Education Next
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  • Overregulated charter schools: Fact or fiction? —Michael J. Petrilli
  • The mixed blessing of new school measures—Chester E. Finn, Jr.
  • When decentralization works: Leadership, local Needs, and student achievement—C. Kirabo Jackson, NBER (2025)

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Ashley Jochim

President, Thomas B. Fordham Institute

Michael J. Petrilli is president of the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, executive editor of Education Next, editor in chief of the Education Gadfly Weekly, host of the…

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David Griffith is the National Research Director at the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, where he manages or authors reports on various subjects including charter schools, …

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Adam Tyner was a member of the Fordham Institute's national research team from 2017 to 2025. In 2025 he became executive director of the Oklahoma Center for Education Policy at the University of Oklahoma.

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