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Innovation, regulation, and school choice, with Mike McShane | Episode 984 of The Education Gadfly Show

Mike McShane Michael J. Petrilli David Griffith, Ph.D. Adam Tyner, Ph.D.
9.3.2025
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Mike McShane, Director of National Research for EdChoice, joins us on the Education Gadfly Show to debate tradeoffs when it comes to regulation and innovation in the charter school and private school choice sectors.

Then, on the Research Minute, Adam Tyner shares a report from the Urban Institute looking at college and career indicators and how they relate to research on post-high school outcomes.

Recommended content:

On school choice:

Overregulated charter schools: Fact or fiction? —Michael J. Petrilli

School choice should take the road less traveled —Robert Enlow and Michael Q. McShane, Education Next

Charter school regulation means keeping the destination in sight —Thibaut Delloue

From the Research Minute:

Which college and career readiness standards best align with positive outcomes after high school? —Kristin Blagg, The Urban Institute (July 2025)

The vibes for career-tech programs are great. But they’re too rare. —Michael J. Petrilli


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Michael Q. McShane is director of national research at EdChoice.

President, Thomas B. Fordham Institute

Michael J. Petrilli is president of the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, executive editor of Education Next, editor in chief of the Education Gadfly Weekly, host of the…

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David Griffith is the National Research Director at the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, where he manages or authors reports on various subjects including charter schools, …

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Adam Tyner was a member of the Fordham Institute's national research team from 2017 to 2025. In 2025 he became executive director of the Oklahoma Center for Education Policy at the University of Oklahoma.

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