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College or career? The credential tradeoff | Episode 1013 of The Education Gadfly Show

Jay Plasman Michael J. Petrilli Amber M. Northern, Ph.D.
4.15.2026
 

Jay Plasman of The Ohio State University joins the Education Gadfly Show to discuss Fordham’s latest report on industry-recognized credentials—and whether they actually deliver for students. As Ohio has pushed more high schoolers to earn these credentials, do they lead to higher earnings down the line, or unintentionally steer students away from college pathways?

Then on the Research Minute, Amber Northern examines new evidence on goal-setting and commitment pledges—whether they help students follow through on their plans or, surprisingly, can backfire.

Recommended content: 

  • College or Career Readiness? Postsecondary and Labor Market Outcomes for Ohio High School Students Earning Industry-Recognized Credentials —Jay Plasman for the Thomas B. Fordham Institute
  • The state of career-and-technical education in Ohio: An analysis of coursework, industry-recognized credentials, and work-based learning —Jay Plasman for the Thomas B. Fordham Institute
  • The high school pathways that boost adult earnings —Aaron Churchill, Thomas B. Fordham Institute
  • I Promise to Work Hard: The Impact of a Non-Binding Commitment Pledge on Academic Performance  —Nicholas A. Wright, Puneet Arora, and Jesse Wright, Education Finance and Policy (2026)

Feedback Welcome: Have ideas for improving our show? We would love to hear them. Send them to [email protected]


 

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Jay Plasman

Jay Plasman is an assistant professor in the Workforce Development and Education in the College of Education and Human Ecology at the Ohio State University.

President, Thomas B. Fordham Institute

Michael J. Petrilli is president of the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, executive editor of Education Next, editor in chief of the Education Gadfly Weekly, host of the…

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Amber Northern is senior vice president for research at the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, where she supervises the Institute’s robust research portfolio and…

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