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#962: Replacing DEI with something better, with Richard Kahlenberg

Richard Kahlenberg Michael J. Petrilli Amber M. Northern, Ph.D. David Griffith, Ph.D.
3.26.2025
 

On this week’s Education Gadfly Show podcast, Richard Kahlenberg, author of Class Matters: The Fight to Get Beyond Race Preferences, Reduce Inequality, and Build Real Diversity at America’s Colleges, joins Mike and David to discuss how Democrats can move beyond DEI and embrace “integration, equal opportunity, and belonging.” Then, on the Research Minute, Amber examines a study on the relationship between standardized test scores, high school GPA, and first-year college performance at Ivy-Plus universities.

Recommended content:

  • Richard Kahlenberg, “Time to Ditch DEI in Favor of Something Better,” The Liberal Patriot, (March 5, 2025).
  • Richard Kahlenberg, A Way Out of the DEI Wars, PPI (February2025).
  • Richard Kahlenberg, “Class Matters: The Fight to Get Beyond Race Preferences, Reduce Inequality, and Build Real Diversity at America’s Colleges,” (March 25, 2025).
  • John N. Friedman, Bruce Sacerdote, Douglas O. Staiger, and Michele Tine, Standardized test scores and academic performance at Ivy-Plus colleges, NBER (March 2025)

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Richard Kahlenberg

Richard D. Kahlenberg is Director of the American Identity Project at the Progressive Policy Institute. He is the author or editor of twenty books, including several on school integration, and he has advised school leaders in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Charlotte on issues of school integration.

President, Thomas B. Fordham Institute

Michael J. Petrilli is president of the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, executive editor of Education Next, editor in chief of the Education Gadfly Weekly, host of the…

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Amber Northern is senior vice president for research at the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, where she supervises the Institute’s robust research portfolio and…

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David Griffith is the National Research Director at the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, where he manages or authors reports on various subjects including charter schools, …

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